Professor Molly Worthen wrote one of the most interesting books I've read. In this episode, we discuss her book, Spellbound, and her surprising argument that charisma isn't so much about charm or power. It's the ability to tell a story people want to live in. We unpack how different leaders build followings, why America is uniquely fertile ground for charismatic movements, and what kind of charisma can create a more resilient future.